Comments on: I want to get specific https://nicomuhly.com/news/2011/i-want-to-get-specific/ The official website of the New York-based composer Nico Muhly. Sat, 01 Oct 2011 19:58:20 +0000 hourly 1 https://wordpress.org/?v=6.4.5 By: Harrigan https://nicomuhly.com/news/2011/i-want-to-get-specific/comment-page-2/#comment-31386 Sat, 01 Oct 2011 19:58:20 +0000 http://nicomuhly.com/?p=3086#comment-31386 Hi Nico ~ This is in response to your “World To Come” post. Didn’t know if you were aware of ‘Symphony of Science.’ John Boswell samples Sagan, Fenyman, Attenborough, Goodall, etc. and makes songs out of what they say. It’s really cool, FYI. Your Steve Reich clip reminded me of it.

http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=XGK84Poeynk

http://symphonyofscience.com/about.html

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By: Hearing is believing | Timothy Andres https://nicomuhly.com/news/2011/i-want-to-get-specific/comment-page-2/#comment-31265 Thu, 29 Sep 2011 22:36:01 +0000 http://nicomuhly.com/?p=3086#comment-31265 […] was thinking more about the aforementioned discussion of composers being denied archival recordings of their own work. Of course it’s detrimental […]

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By: ?? https://nicomuhly.com/news/2011/i-want-to-get-specific/comment-page-2/#comment-30703 Fri, 23 Sep 2011 06:40:14 +0000 http://nicomuhly.com/?p=3086#comment-30703 Between me and my husband we’ve owned more MP3 players over the years than I can count, including Sansas, iRivers, iPods (classic & touch), the Ibiza Rhapsody, etc. But, the last few years I’ve settled down to one line of players. Why? Because I was happy to discover how well-designed and fun to use the underappreciated (and widely mocked) Zunes are.

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By: fcm https://nicomuhly.com/news/2011/i-want-to-get-specific/comment-page-2/#comment-30668 Thu, 22 Sep 2011 18:50:05 +0000 http://nicomuhly.com/?p=3086#comment-30668 Anger at the situation is correct. But anger at the orchestras is pointless and misdirected. They are governed by a contractual relationship with the musicians.

The reason the musicians have a hard-line contract is because of PERPETUAL ABUSES of “the industry.”

So the composer gets caught in the middle.

But assuming that an orchestra should just “not be so strict about the rules” because we live in a new-media age is really naive. Some of the arguments surrounding this topic seem to border on that. “It’s not a big deal, relax, Mr. Recording enforcer” is not a viable solution to this problem.

Media, information, cultural practices, and the intersections between them are an issue facing society at all corners, due to the internet. Resolving them is going to take time, patience, and a willingness to examine all of our underlying assumptions about what music is, what the music ‘object’ is, what a recording really is, etc.

There is no easy answer to this, and I urge everyone to strongly resist the temptation to simplify the challenges.

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By: Around the horn: Rick Perry edition | Songcography.com https://nicomuhly.com/news/2011/i-want-to-get-specific/comment-page-2/#comment-30335 Mon, 19 Sep 2011 04:47:48 +0000 http://nicomuhly.com/?p=3086#comment-30335 […] Composer Nico Muhly offers an insider’s perspective on the byzantine restrictions faced by orchestral composers seeking access to recordings of their own work. […]

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By: Jason Weinberger https://nicomuhly.com/news/2011/i-want-to-get-specific/comment-page-2/#comment-30132 Fri, 16 Sep 2011 13:02:53 +0000 http://nicomuhly.com/?p=3086#comment-30132 I advocate for a radical rethinking of how we at orchestras handle media, and your perspective is an invaluable one in this area:

http://wnbr.gr/10275049482

For what it’s worth the ensemble I lead [WCFSO in Iowa] makes all performance recordings of new works available not only to their composers but also – at each composer’s discretion – to the public online.

Now if we could figure out a way to loosen up these publishers …

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By: Thom https://nicomuhly.com/news/2011/i-want-to-get-specific/comment-page-2/#comment-30012 Wed, 14 Sep 2011 06:15:29 +0000 http://nicomuhly.com/?p=3086#comment-30012 As a devil’s advocate for performers:

I see a lot of composers rallying their support and agreement here. Lovely, but please make sure y’all don’t forget that performers have rights for a really good reason, and at the end of the day, we’re all trying to balance making art and paying the bills.

I understand your frustration. You just want to refine and polish your craft. My choristers would love to do the same–it’s so vital to observe and listen to your product in order to listen critically and grow–but archival recordings are simply not legal.

If my choir were performing a Nico Muhly piece, we’d have to pay you and/or your publisher for recording your piece, via mechanical licensing, even if we didn’t sell the recording or upload it on a website. This is the legal right of the copyright holder of the music. We simply have to pay.

Conversely, if you want a recording of your work, it is the right of the performers to be compensated fairly. When using unionized musicians, pay them the standard rate, or bargain with the union reps before the rehearsal/performance process begins. It’s their right as performers. They are professionals, and they are doing their jobs. You said, “I understand that there are union regulations” and “I am really pro-Union for musicians.” Well then, show them your support. Financially.

Simply put, it’s not your right to have a recording of other people playing your music any more than I have a right to have a recording of my ensemble singing someone else’s music. Life costs money. If it costs too much for you, ask for that amount of money when you are negotiating and contracting your commission with the orchestra.

Yes, it sucks, but that’s how it works. You make money off of me, and I make money off of you; but in the end, you win. You get royalties when I buy your scores. You get royalties when I perform your (absolutely fantastic) music. You get royalties when I record and distribute a CD with your music on it. In this economy of reduced ticket sales and slashed funding for the arts, performers and ensembles are lucky just to break even at the end of the day.

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By: Afternoon Bites: William Basinski, Catherynne M. Valente, Matt Bell, and more | Vol. 1 Brooklyn https://nicomuhly.com/news/2011/i-want-to-get-specific/comment-page-2/#comment-29987 Tue, 13 Sep 2011 20:32:45 +0000 http://nicomuhly.com/?p=3086#comment-29987 […] Nico Muhly on composers encountering difficulty hearing recordings of their own compositions. […]

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By: Amy Fogerson https://nicomuhly.com/news/2011/i-want-to-get-specific/comment-page-1/#comment-29895 Mon, 12 Sep 2011 18:22:49 +0000 http://nicomuhly.com/?p=3086#comment-29895 Nico,
I really appreciated your post, and all the following discussion. I’m a member of the Los Angeles Master Chorale (LOVED working with you and recording your music!), and we currently have a waiver available for composers when we are performing a commission and/or a premiere. We are currently in contract negotiations, and one of the topics we’re discussing is this very one (greater access to archival recordings by composers). I have forwarded the link to this blog to my fellow members of the AGMA Negotiating Committee and the LAMC Management; it’s very helpful to have such a cogent argument from the composer’s point of view. Thanks!

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By: Matt https://nicomuhly.com/news/2011/i-want-to-get-specific/comment-page-1/#comment-29888 Mon, 12 Sep 2011 17:11:57 +0000 http://nicomuhly.com/?p=3086#comment-29888 Frank Zappa wrote about the exact same problems in his autobiography; check it out.

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By: Michael Geller https://nicomuhly.com/news/2011/i-want-to-get-specific/comment-page-1/#comment-29882 Mon, 12 Sep 2011 15:14:09 +0000 http://nicomuhly.com/?p=3086#comment-29882 Nico,

Couldn’t agree more about the challenges facing young composers as they seek to get their music played by professional orchestras, and the importance of recordings to the growth of composers in writing for orchestra. As the executive at American Composers Orchestra, we’ve got a big stake in this whole question, and have been wrestling/brainstorming many of the issues you point out for many years—and dedicating ourselves to trying to change some of that. For example, at ACO, we always make recordings available to composers for use in their portfolios, for study purposes, for applications and grant proposals, etc., whether in our annual Underwood New Music Readings for emerging composers, or on our concert programs. When it comes to Readings, we even construct the program, so that each composer gets two shots with the orchestra: a working rehearsal and then a touch-up and run-through a day later. In between the two sessions, each composer gets feedback from mentor composers (who act as extra sets of informed ears), musicians, and the conductor, and has the opportunity to make edits and notes to pass along to the conductor and the orchestra. The two-step process allows for the kinds of changes related to dynamic, articulations, and orchestral doublings, and interpretation that help improve the quality of the performance, and help the composer grow in his/her work.

The fact is that providing an archival recording to a composer is something of a “gray area.” It’s not really addressed in any of the national agreements, and it is subject to interpretation. Each orchestra may be different. Lacking clarity, the knee-jerk — play it safe reaction from some orchestras may just be to say “no.” But that is not always the case.

You may be interested to know that ACO is also working with other orchestras around the country to improve the situation, at least as far as Readings go. The EarShot network (run by ACO in cooperation with Meet The Composer, League of American Orchestras, American Composers Forum, and American Music Center) provides a toolkit of resources (such as program design, artistic, technical, production and financial support) too help orchestras around the country mount their own Readings and other composer development programs. EarShot is just a few years old, and still growing, but already we’ve worked with such orchestras as Nashville Symphony, Buffalo Philharmonic, Colorado Symphony, and others to help them create great programs that provide the kind of support that really helps emerging composers. As part of the EarShot effort, we’ve even created a “template” for recordings use, that we provide to each orchestra we work with, in order to encourage them to provide composers with a recording. That template spells out the kinds of study and professional uses the recording may be used for, and the kinds of limited “one-off” duplication that are permissible (while clearly prohibiting broadcast, commercial recording, internet, or other mechanisms for distributing the music to the general public). The template has worked well as a way to focus orchestra managements and players on the issues facing composers, and to address some of the concerns orchestras have had about providing a recording to composers.

Michael Geller
Executive Director
American Composers Orchestra

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By: jeff harrington https://nicomuhly.com/news/2011/i-want-to-get-specific/comment-page-1/#comment-29869 Mon, 12 Sep 2011 08:24:33 +0000 http://nicomuhly.com/?p=3086#comment-29869 FWIW, Nico, your important blog article is now being featured at Reuters.

http://blogs.reuters.com/felix-salmon/2011/09/11/when-composers-cant-hear-their-own-compositions/

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By: CB https://nicomuhly.com/news/2011/i-want-to-get-specific/comment-page-1/#comment-29787 Sun, 11 Sep 2011 19:21:14 +0000 http://nicomuhly.com/?p=3086#comment-29787 Stupid isn’t it? David Kempers makes good points about planning ahead and paying a small fee for archival or rehearsal recordings. From a practical standpoint everything now seems to be recorded (poorly) and uploaded almost instantly these days regardless of the outdated and mostly unenforceable copyright laws. Likely if no audience member tried to make a bootleg recording it doesn’t mean the warnings were effective – it just means they don’t care enough about the performance to bother. Yet there were probably security cameras recording everyone who walked in the front door – including you.

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By: When composers can’t hear their own compositions | Felix Salmon https://nicomuhly.com/news/2011/i-want-to-get-specific/comment-page-1/#comment-29785 Sun, 11 Sep 2011 19:02:54 +0000 http://nicomuhly.com/?p=3086#comment-29785 […] intellectual property Nico Muhly has a fantastic rant about the way in which professional orchestras make it effectively impossible […]

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By: Spencer https://nicomuhly.com/news/2011/i-want-to-get-specific/comment-page-1/#comment-29780 Sun, 11 Sep 2011 16:47:36 +0000 http://nicomuhly.com/?p=3086#comment-29780 Hi Nico,

Enjoyed your blog post! I agree with so much of what you said, and those early experiences at Juilliard did truly become important for me in later projects, (especially the recordings).

Things in general seem to get better (Aaron Kernis and Minnesota Orchestra allowing recordings of the Composer’s Institute to be aired on NPR Minn. and the internet?!)…maybe it’s generational (i.e. we are the Napster gen.), or we are just more comfortable with technology and recordings than we used to be in the age of blogs,vlogs, remixes,etc.

I want to reiterate your last plea, of what we can do as composers to push back, forward, or whatever direction it takes, on the powers at be that prevent the “recording” or video (gasp!) of a performance from reaching our hands.

In certain way, us as composers have made life difficult for ourselves, or more likely future generations of composers, by not making more of a fuss about these issues in the past.

Too often listening/exchange of (orchestral) recordings become a sort of closeted activity amongst composers, committees, and academies.

Is it maybe the ambiguity of how we handle the problem that ultimately left us where we are? Or is it simply a result of submission to the weightiness of the organizations that we work with?

I leave you with those questions as they continue in my mind answered/unanswered.

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