Comments on: Collabos https://nicomuhly.com/news/2009/collabos/ The official website of the New York-based composer Nico Muhly. Sun, 21 Jun 2009 16:53:57 +0000 hourly 1 https://wordpress.org/?v=6.4.5 By: Your Friend Damian https://nicomuhly.com/news/2009/collabos/comment-page-1/#comment-8914 Sun, 21 Jun 2009 16:53:57 +0000 http://nicomuhly.com/?p=1129#comment-8914 Nico you nutter (this is a good thing). I’ve got a production in progress with a vocal from Shara on it, and spend many hours working on Björk’s stuff; it had never occured to me whatsoever to draw any parallels between the two at all…. Let alone an overlapping Venn Diagram! Is this a good thing? Or am I in a wood/trees situation?

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By: Brian https://nicomuhly.com/news/2009/collabos/comment-page-1/#comment-8899 Thu, 18 Jun 2009 19:16:29 +0000 http://nicomuhly.com/?p=1129#comment-8899 70s folk band America. Here, though disguised as a "murky" complement, Ratliff seems to be inferring "look at me and how clever I am to point out these 'unlikely' references." And really, can one actually say Grizzly Bear references Dr. Dre just because of the intro of Two Weeks?]]> I would add to the list of quotes:

“I respect Grizzly Bear for echoing unlikely moments in the history of sound: little bits and pieces in the arrangements of its songs variously suggest, besides Phil Spector, the Partridge Family, Dr. Dre and the ’70s folk band America.

Here, though disguised as a “murky” complement, Ratliff seems to be inferring “look at me and how clever I am to point out these ‘unlikely’ references.” And really, can one actually say Grizzly Bear references Dr. Dre just because of the intro of Two Weeks?

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By: Zach Green https://nicomuhly.com/news/2009/collabos/comment-page-1/#comment-8873 Wed, 10 Jun 2009 14:25:37 +0000 http://nicomuhly.com/?p=1129#comment-8873 Nabakov and assholes! Ha!

Seriously, that’s pretty great.

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By: Eric Shanfield https://nicomuhly.com/news/2009/collabos/comment-page-1/#comment-8870 Tue, 09 Jun 2009 20:44:28 +0000 http://nicomuhly.com/?p=1129#comment-8870 Well, Nabokov and Messiaen, like Scriabin, Torke and a number of other artists, were synaesthetes, so I think they at least deserve a pass.

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By: Carah A. Naseem https://nicomuhly.com/news/2009/collabos/comment-page-1/#comment-8864 Mon, 08 Jun 2009 20:51:36 +0000 http://nicomuhly.com/?p=1129#comment-8864 Alex W: As to the describing music with color, THAT to me is the ultimate pretention. I’m guessing Messaien falls into the “asshole” category with his compositional visions of “blue-orange chords”.

Please…

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By: Alex W https://nicomuhly.com/news/2009/collabos/comment-page-1/#comment-8854 Sun, 07 Jun 2009 15:30:45 +0000 http://nicomuhly.com/?p=1129#comment-8854 This review definitely caught my eye when I came across it, and I’m glad to see Nico pulling it apart as it should be pulled apart. There was some serious weirdness going on in that piece. In addition to the things already mentioned, there was that whole bit about brownness: “when Mr. Rossen sings lead, the songs get browner, based in the harmony of his unusual guitar tunings.” Uhhhh, what does that mean? As my friend said when I showed him this review, only two people get to describe music with colors: Nabakov and Assholes. Anyhow, I found this review vague in the extreme, somewhat mean-spirited – and my sense was that Ben Ratcliff was trying to be contrary, given the reams of positive press the Grizz has been receiving.

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By: Alec https://nicomuhly.com/news/2009/collabos/comment-page-1/#comment-8847 Thu, 04 Jun 2009 20:50:41 +0000 http://nicomuhly.com/?p=1129#comment-8847 I’m coming to this a bit late, but I had to add what the late, great Kenneth Tynan said about the whole concept of ‘pretentiousness’ when he reviewed the first English-language production of ‘Waiting for Godot’:

‘Hastily labeling their disquiet disgust, many of the first-night audience found it pretentious. But what, exactly, are its pretensions ? To state that mankind is waiting for a sign that is late in coming is a platitude which none but an illiterate would interpret as making claims to profundity. What vexed the play’s enemies was, I suspect, the opposite: it was not pretentious enough to enable them to deride it.’

I think this hits some kind of nail on the head.

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By: Carah A. Naseem https://nicomuhly.com/news/2009/collabos/comment-page-1/#comment-8844 Wed, 03 Jun 2009 22:14:03 +0000 http://nicomuhly.com/?p=1129#comment-8844 onomotopoeiae?

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By: Carah A. Naseem https://nicomuhly.com/news/2009/collabos/comment-page-1/#comment-8843 Wed, 03 Jun 2009 22:13:13 +0000 http://nicomuhly.com/?p=1129#comment-8843 See: Previous irritation about diacritical fault.

Also, I’m very much in love with you for that entire last paragraph.
Poor Björk. The woman carries the world of electro-acoustic something something female vocalist acts on her shoulders.
BUT SHARA. Oh God, Shara Worden is amazing. Those Son Lux remixes, I’ve had ’em for a while, and they’re just fantastic. Everytime she coos/accuses? “You must feel… splendid,” I basically die inside.
And also “To Pluto’s Moon”. That “wahwahwahwahwah” electronic bit (electronic onomotopoeia are especially difficult) that comes in halfway through. Oh man.

Oh man.
That’s pretty much all I have to say.

P.S. Best song on Veckatemist? Can I hear a what what for “Ready, Able”? Any takers?

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By: Joe Holt https://nicomuhly.com/news/2009/collabos/comment-page-1/#comment-8832 Tue, 02 Jun 2009 00:34:57 +0000 http://nicomuhly.com/?p=1129#comment-8832 ve killed to go to the concert. The thought of GB and a choir and a piano and you just sounds too good. Concerts are hugely subjective experiences, and I’m fine with the fellow next to me eating his frozen concern. Just don’t slurp too loud. I’m excited about Nadia’s album. Frábært! And thanks for the Björk mini-game.]]> I would’ve killed to go to the concert. The thought of GB and a choir and a piano and you just sounds too good. Concerts are hugely subjective experiences, and I’m fine with the fellow next to me eating his frozen concern. Just don’t slurp too loud.

I’m excited about Nadia’s album. Frábært!

And thanks for the Björk mini-game.

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By: Graham Anderson https://nicomuhly.com/news/2009/collabos/comment-page-1/#comment-8830 Mon, 01 Jun 2009 23:16:48 +0000 http://nicomuhly.com/?p=1129#comment-8830 Re: the Guardian review. The reviewer’s friend who made the ‘pretentiometer’ quip was Crackberrying the whole way through the concert, which makes him – IMNSHO – a complete cock-knocker. I wanted to strangle him.

To add insult to injury, the Guardian printed your interview with Philip Glass, with the wrong date for the Barbican concert – they implied it was at the weekend. Confusion and much texting to confirm dates and times ensued.

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By: Toby https://nicomuhly.com/news/2009/collabos/comment-page-1/#comment-8828 Mon, 01 Jun 2009 21:49:40 +0000 http://nicomuhly.com/?p=1129#comment-8828 In architecture and landscape architecture, “precious” usually connotes a hothouse quality; a sense of great means put to frivolous ends; deliberately obscure references; or conspicuous consumption in the form of “moves” that rely on an unusual construction technique, material, and/or maintenance regimen. A precious design is brittle, clever, and overly pleased with itself. \nSo the opposite of precious, in the design fields, may be some combination of “robust” and “modest.” \nPreciousness isn’t as concerned with being good as it is with being special, and it relentlessly calls attention to how special it is. Modest robust design can be very very good and very very special, but also has the quality of “just is.”\nOn a different tack, I agree that “precious” is coded, and that coding is consistent with a trope that associates “real art” with heterosexual male procreative power, consigning the homosexual to art that, however skilled and tasteful, forever lacks authenticity. That same narrative has been foisted on women artists forever; it is fallacious and loathsome; and I hope that nothing I’ve said about preciousness plays into it.

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By: chr https://nicomuhly.com/news/2009/collabos/comment-page-1/#comment-8824 Mon, 01 Jun 2009 19:31:27 +0000 http://nicomuhly.com/?p=1129#comment-8824 I haven’t cared much for My Brightest Diamond, but I bought the remixes solely because of the joy inspired by this post.

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By: Stanley Moon https://nicomuhly.com/news/2009/collabos/comment-page-1/#comment-8818 Mon, 01 Jun 2009 13:19:23 +0000 http://nicomuhly.com/?p=1129#comment-8818 Of course it is subject to his opinion! The fact is that twee and precious have been used as code words by some and not by others. Jodru’s opinion is that they are not being used that way here.

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By: Grrg https://nicomuhly.com/news/2009/collabos/comment-page-1/#comment-8817 Mon, 01 Jun 2009 08:04:43 +0000 http://nicomuhly.com/?p=1129#comment-8817 Jodru, the fact that twee and precious and fey have, in fact, been used in the past as code words for faggotty is not really subject to your opinion. It’s just a fact.

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