Comments on: Alice Tully Hall Sounds Great https://nicomuhly.com/news/2009/alice-tully-hall-sounds-great/ The official website of the New York-based composer Nico Muhly. Tue, 26 Jan 2010 23:19:36 +0000 hourly 1 https://wordpress.org/?v=6.4.5 By: an ICE member https://nicomuhly.com/news/2009/alice-tully-hall-sounds-great/comment-page-1/#comment-10029 Tue, 26 Jan 2010 23:19:36 +0000 http://nicomuhly.com/?p=1254#comment-10029 just ICE. 🙂 thanks for wondering. no ATM machine, PIN number, etc.

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By: willnyc https://nicomuhly.com/news/2009/alice-tully-hall-sounds-great/comment-page-1/#comment-9147 Sat, 19 Sep 2009 02:09:33 +0000 http://nicomuhly.com/?p=1254#comment-9147 last time I was there my friends and I ordered a bottle of wine. the serverdoofus dropped off the bottle and DID NOT OPEN IT. walked away. ten minutes later, after many effusive calls and whistles, we finally got our rather warm bottle of sauvb opened. atrocious. and no one has mentioned that the food is merely HIGH END CAFETERIA FOOD. nothing terribly fresh. nothing terribly tasty. give me a bucket of herbed frites with maldon salt … or something! a berry or two with a bit of creme fraiche? gawd.

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By: Father Tony https://nicomuhly.com/news/2009/alice-tully-hall-sounds-great/comment-page-1/#comment-9137 Fri, 11 Sep 2009 21:26:19 +0000 http://nicomuhly.com/?p=1254#comment-9137 I believe the Officious Homosexual is no longer affiliated with the disappointing cafe. During the warm months, I have not minded sitting near it on “our bench” on Broadway, sometimes, rather than go 3 blocks to home, I’d scoot over to the cafe to use its bathroom and see the mournful help standing idle in the emptiness. The problem is that when the licensee complains to Lincoln Center about the lack of customers, no one in charge will know why or will be able to make the remedy. It’s all terrifically stupid.

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By: peter john boyle https://nicomuhly.com/news/2009/alice-tully-hall-sounds-great/comment-page-1/#comment-9134 Thu, 10 Sep 2009 15:43:48 +0000 http://nicomuhly.com/?p=1254#comment-9134 http://nonsequitur1979.blogspot.com/

this u tube clip seemed like something you might enjoy, I dig the old grandma rockin the drums but those black basso horns are perty wild too

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By: killian https://nicomuhly.com/news/2009/alice-tully-hall-sounds-great/comment-page-1/#comment-9130 Sat, 05 Sep 2009 22:58:21 +0000 http://nicomuhly.com/?p=1254#comment-9130 Loved all of it. Tower records on Newbury Street. . . sigh.

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By: Bo https://nicomuhly.com/news/2009/alice-tully-hall-sounds-great/comment-page-1/#comment-9126 Tue, 01 Sep 2009 09:56:58 +0000 http://nicomuhly.com/?p=1254#comment-9126 Great piece Nico. I had the pleasure of meeting the fabulous Alice G. last year in Cambridge, and then again when Hill was reading somewhere.\n\nI didn’t realise she was Adams’ librettist when first I met her (having alas never heard of her) and asked her what it was like being married to a poet. ‘Ask Geoffrey!’, she shot back.

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By: Peter John Boyle https://nicomuhly.com/news/2009/alice-tully-hall-sounds-great/comment-page-1/#comment-9124 Tue, 01 Sep 2009 00:32:50 +0000 http://nicomuhly.com/?p=1254#comment-9124 I bought these fancy noise cancelling headphones about five years ago, not for listening to music but for when I was overwhelmed by ice cream trucks playing digital chips of scot joplin and incredibly grating voices and noise that made my congenital insanity too much to abide.
I started reading off the site because I loved the combination of your humors
in what I had found before in print, but avoided the music selections in favor of your marvelous loving satires. Plus this music seemed hopelessly over my head after enduring every mode of alt rock at RI”s, ahem, “open and uncensored forum for local artists”
Now that im familiar enough with you combination of wit, sarcasm and timelessly effective/assimilated drag queen lexicography Ive begun listening to the sound bites through these headphones and getting really astonished by the sound and your guidance regarding the mixed issues which you and your friends are permanently emersed
.So far my favorite pair of clips was the two versions of brittens midsummer thingie which I discovered remained in synch with eachother if you alternated from playing one and then the other! Beside allowing my puerile delite in making the computer say ‘puck’… “PUCK” I eventually rose, via the headphones , to the level of enjoying a genre of music, or contrasts of genres in a way I did not think my old unwashed ears were capable. Thank you.

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By: Brian https://nicomuhly.com/news/2009/alice-tully-hall-sounds-great/comment-page-1/#comment-9123 Mon, 31 Aug 2009 01:55:09 +0000 http://nicomuhly.com/?p=1254#comment-9123 As to the primary question, how will synthesizers age? As you rightly observe, the problem is that not all synthesizers produce the same sound, and each new model does not have the same sounds as the last, where as a clarinet still sounds like a clarinet in each new make. We are already experiencing the answer to the question. Has anyone tried renting a Yamaha SY77 lately, in Omaha? Certainly recordings will live on, but the ability to play a piece live will be dependent on composers, publishers, or players updating the format of the sounds to remain current to the day.

The SECOND upgrade of John Adams’ music is already underway resulting in Kontakt banks (computer based software sampler for those who don’t know). Hardware samplers and synths of professional quality are no longer being made or used in quantity. So in only 15-20 years 2 upgrades have been required. If weighted keyboard controllers become a thing of the past, then we will really be in trouble. For now it’s enough of a set back that software samplers all have noticeable latency in them (delay).

The real question of how pieces age may lie in a different question, who pays for and performs upgrades? The composer (who in 2449AD will not be part of the picture), the publisher who gains little financially by updating a piece, or the poor orchestra manager/musician who just can’t find the old instruments and does the update on their own (if they can!) and as a gift to the music world posts the update to the internet for others.

My personal take is that music demanded enough will evolve to survive through sheer economic will power (I’m with Joe on this one), but tertiary music does run the risk of falling so far behind the current state of technology as to be unplayable. The question then becomes, should all music be written to be playable forever in the future? The difference being that we expect the instruments of the standard orchestra to continue to have a future so a traditionally written piece would inherently also have a future. I say no, why limit a composer’s freedom to enhance a piece’s lifespan? I’d rather a piece be played once in the composer’s ideal, than be repeatedly and eternally degraded due to a technical compromise.

As for synthesizers in general: I have to disagree a little with Galen (I think). There is a certain kind of keyboard player that I hate, it’s the one that turns to each player in the pit and says “I can do that too” flips to a trumpet patch and starts vomiting midi trumpet. Then they start playing up three octaves with a smirk that says, “but I’ll bet you can’t do this!” I think we can all agree to hate or at least discourage midi anythings that try to imitate real instruments, as good as Yamaha has gotten at mimicking a grand piano, I don’t think the Hamburg D’s of the world need to worry about job security. I agree that every year the mimicking gets better, but there are over a million ways to play a quarter note, and that variety is the foundation of player and musical expression, which will either never be achievable by electronics, or, if it is, why would I want to listen to an electronic representation of something I could otherwise hear for real? (Then again, why is buying virtual furniture so popular in “The SIMS” games?) So I will here agree with Chris, at the very best, it’s a little embarrassing. I am not referring to rare instruments that are difficult to find in good working order, I’m talking the clarinets and oboes of the world. Low is the day when passing ruffians can say “Ni” to poor old women, and low is the day that I have to listen to a violin concerto on a keyboard instead of a Strad. I remember watching Avenue Q for the first time and thinking the orchestra sounded pretty dull and uninteresting. At the end of the show they panned through the pit to show trap set, a sax player and two or three keyboard players. I’m sure the producers thought they were saving tons of money… A single sample may perfectly reproduce the sound of the actual instrument, but the subtle changes from striking a drum in a slightly different spot, or strength etc are what keep music alive. We’ve all seen the “drum machines have no soul” which is the reaction to this fact.

I think most of us agree that a synthesized sound is fine when it is uniquely electronic. With regards to the synth tom in question- John Adams confirms that the sampled toms in Klinghoffer are for their specific sound quality which can not be achieved by an actual tom. “If you listen to the opening of Omar’s aria in Act II of Klinghoffer, you’ll hear those deep booming drum sounds that are the product of electronic manipulation.” That manipulation is the same heavy compression we hear everyday in pop music. Take the first two bars of Green Day’s Insomniac album, and then show me a drum set that sounds like that. Of course there isn’t one. And yes, I did just compare John Adams to Green Day. Here we’ll say it is a logistical simplification to put the processed sound in a sampler, rather than to employ a remote percussion room with conductor video monitor, microphones to EQ, compression, and ultimate amplification into the performance space.

We may be in trouble if a composer “digs the sound of the toms on their Casio” but there are myriad things a composer could like that would mean we are all in trouble. At the same time there is some AWESOME music that has been written out of original Nintendo and Gameboy sounds. Nixon in China will forever be an 80’s opera because of the synth patches, but along with Sellars’ cutout Airforce One and the “Chinese” makeup , those keyboard patches fit right in as “aesthetics of the day” or something like that. Is time stamping a piece by using an 808 any different than how we now perceive a harpsichord as specific to a part of the musical timeline?

To Marc et al regarding future productions of Klinghoffer: attempts to navigate (sorry, it just came out that way!) are being made. Juilliard recently did a production you can read about here: http://tinyurl.com/n4v6gr

And I can say that there are currently plans for an American opera company to produce Klinghoffer in 2011.

As a closing note, I have to agree 100% that any art that causes a protest or outrage is worth checking out. We are bombarded by bubblegum pop because people don’t want to think on their way to and from work. If somebody hates something, then they have been forced to think, an activity grossly lacking in our society. I completely promote anything that encourages or requires a reaction, induces discussion etc. even if the conclusion is offense and disgust.

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By: molly yeh https://nicomuhly.com/news/2009/alice-tully-hall-sounds-great/comment-page-1/#comment-9122 Sun, 30 Aug 2009 02:47:09 +0000 http://nicomuhly.com/?p=1254#comment-9122 t stop laughing about your officious homosexual experience.\n\nIn January, I performed the percussion part (malletKAT + timpani) to the Death of Klinghoffer with John Adams conducting.The technology involved in the production was so complex that oftentimes I was afraid to breathe around the synths.\n\nIf I might add my two cents, here are a few things:\nFirst, if I’m not mistaken, John Adams wanted us (myself + the three keyboard synth players) to use the same sounds that were used in the original production. I can see why this might be a bit unappealing, considering the rapid rate at which technology is advancing these days. However, by the time the year 2449 rolls around, I think musicians will be viewing these sounds similar to how we now view period stringed instruments; sure we can use “modern” violins to play 17th or 18th century music, but it sounds more authentic to use period instruments.\n\nSecond, it seemed pretty clear that one of the reasons for John Adams’ extensive use of electronics in this work, at least, was for logistical purposes. There were about 40 patches for my instrument alone. So maybe if the stage was like five times bigger, and if there were about six percussion parts (plus a harp, sax, etc) it would be possible to use individual instruments. But hey, I thought these sounds were way cool, and the fact that some of the sounds were foreign made the whole experience even more haunting and powerful.\n\nOne of the administrators in the Juilliard orchestra office said that what makes great art is that it challenges people. This piece encourages people to challenge their beliefs....big time. In addition, it adds a great deal of power and emotion to the music itself.]]> Hello there!\n\nI love your blog and I couldn’t stop laughing about your officious homosexual experience.\n\nIn January, I performed the percussion part (malletKAT + timpani) to the Death of Klinghoffer with John Adams conducting.The technology involved in the production was so complex that oftentimes I was afraid to breathe around the synths.\n\nIf I might add my two cents, here are a few things:\nFirst, if I’m not mistaken, John Adams wanted us (myself + the three keyboard synth players) to use the same sounds that were used in the original production. I can see why this might be a bit unappealing, considering the rapid rate at which technology is advancing these days. However, by the time the year 2449 rolls around, I think musicians will be viewing these sounds similar to how we now view period stringed instruments; sure we can use “modern” violins to play 17th or 18th century music, but it sounds more authentic to use period instruments.\n\nSecond, it seemed pretty clear that one of the reasons for John Adams’ extensive use of electronics in this work, at least, was for logistical purposes. There were about 40 patches for my instrument alone. So maybe if the stage was like five times bigger, and if there were about six percussion parts (plus a harp, sax, etc) it would be possible to use individual instruments. But hey, I thought these sounds were way cool, and the fact that some of the sounds were foreign made the whole experience even more haunting and powerful.\n\nOne of the administrators in the Juilliard orchestra office said that what makes great art is that it challenges people. This piece encourages people to challenge their beliefs….big time. In addition, it adds a great deal of power and emotion to the music itself.

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By: Marc Geelhoed https://nicomuhly.com/news/2009/alice-tully-hall-sounds-great/comment-page-1/#comment-9119 Fri, 28 Aug 2009 17:12:55 +0000 http://nicomuhly.com/?p=1254#comment-9119 Peter Sellars said at a talk a couple years ago that Klinghoffer will never be presented in the US until there’s a separate Palestinian state. The way Adams/Goodman/Sellars treated that story is just too inflammatory for some people, which I agree is really sad because there is some great, great music to be heard there. The Aria of the Falling Body (?) is astounding.

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By: Paul https://nicomuhly.com/news/2009/alice-tully-hall-sounds-great/comment-page-1/#comment-9116 Thu, 27 Aug 2009 03:54:32 +0000 http://nicomuhly.com/?p=1254#comment-9116 You get me thinking about Glass and synthesizers — I recall when the LP of Satyagraha was released back in the 80s, there was a stir in the classical press about using multitracking and synthesizer enhancements (particularly in the brass). Glass (& Muncaksi & Riesman) used a lot of gear that has aged considerably, but I don’t think this necessarily impairs or precludes a contemporary interpretation of the work.

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By: Chris https://nicomuhly.com/news/2009/alice-tully-hall-sounds-great/comment-page-1/#comment-9109 Sun, 23 Aug 2009 13:11:45 +0000 http://nicomuhly.com/?p=1254#comment-9109 Galen,

If I were a composer, I would only be writing for a synth tom because I love a synth tom. It would not be for reasons of “logistical practicality.”

A) “I’m totally in love with this almglocken sample” = Yay! Use it. I’ll come to the concert.
B) “Synth percussion is so close to real percussion now that I might as well just put that tom roll sound on the keyboard player’s high D#” = ok, it might be fine! It’s probably kind of embarrassing!

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By: Noah https://nicomuhly.com/news/2009/alice-tully-hall-sounds-great/comment-page-1/#comment-9096 Sat, 22 Aug 2009 15:21:21 +0000 http://nicomuhly.com/?p=1254#comment-9096 As Heather mentioned, I think the trickle of electricity that one or two laptops might draw is not the issue with why corporate-run cafes have a “no devices” policy.

If, for instance, the fine establishment was littered with plugs, then it would be full-up with fine young cannibals like ourselves drinking frappucinos all day and scaring away the upstanding citizens who tour through and have lunch. Places like McDonald’s, for instance, offer free Wifi so that during your optimal 12.37 minute lunch rush, you feel better about stopping in there while you wolf down your veggie burger and fries and McCoffee. But when one browses the internet and takes up space and blogs from the table in the corner, one is sure to put a hit in their profits, statistically speaking. The “two-plugs-in-the-dining-area” design of the place tells me that hip guys like you are distinctly unwelcome if you bring your laptop and settle in. We have a Panera here in town that is crawling with folks studying over their fancy coffee drinks, but I feel in some deep part of me that when the place gets hopping during lunch the management’s collective brow furrows at bloggers and students.

Nobody gets a free ride, no matter how big the smile is at the front desk or register…

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By: craig https://nicomuhly.com/news/2009/alice-tully-hall-sounds-great/comment-page-1/#comment-9089 Fri, 21 Aug 2009 19:01:04 +0000 http://nicomuhly.com/?p=1254#comment-9089 There is no other fun to be had in life like high Nico dudgeon.

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By: Ruben https://nicomuhly.com/news/2009/alice-tully-hall-sounds-great/comment-page-1/#comment-9088 Fri, 21 Aug 2009 16:48:25 +0000 http://nicomuhly.com/?p=1254#comment-9088 Consider this about NYC cafes: http://preview.tinyurl.com/nmh9nl

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