Comments on: David Lang is Also my Homegirl + A Diatribe https://nicomuhly.com/news/2008/david-lang-is-also-my-homegirl-a-diatribe/ The official website of the New York-based composer Nico Muhly. Mon, 11 May 2009 21:43:07 +0000 hourly 1 https://wordpress.org/?v=6.4.5 By: Lee https://nicomuhly.com/news/2008/david-lang-is-also-my-homegirl-a-diatribe/comment-page-1/#comment-8690 Mon, 11 May 2009 21:43:07 +0000 http://nicomuhly.com/news/2008/david-lang-is-also-my-homegirl-a-diatribe/#comment-8690 t sasstalk on my space. You (singular) know perfectly well that the plural form is y’all.' Sure you want the sasStalking; otherwise you couldn't whip out your puns and make all us wee ungrammatical folk who support abortion, like the WP piece, and absolutely adore The Code out to be trogs.]]> ‘Nico responds: come on, now. Who this is. Don’t sasstalk on my space. You (singular) know perfectly well that the plural form is y’all.’

Sure you want the sasStalking; otherwise you couldn’t whip out your puns and make all us wee ungrammatical folk who support abortion, like the WP piece, and absolutely adore The Code out to be trogs.

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By: Jim https://nicomuhly.com/news/2008/david-lang-is-also-my-homegirl-a-diatribe/comment-page-1/#comment-705 Sat, 10 May 2008 06:15:07 +0000 http://nicomuhly.com/news/2008/david-lang-is-also-my-homegirl-a-diatribe/#comment-705 I just listened to “The Little Match Girl Passion” and was stunned by its beauty. It’s far better than Lachenmann’s treatment of the same story, both in purely musical terms and in its treatment of suffering (though really I ought not to be speaking as though the two can be separated).

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By: kudo https://nicomuhly.com/news/2008/david-lang-is-also-my-homegirl-a-diatribe/comment-page-1/#comment-661 Fri, 25 Apr 2008 12:49:43 +0000 http://nicomuhly.com/news/2008/david-lang-is-also-my-homegirl-a-diatribe/#comment-661 Who cares? It’s a dumb human interest article and it ain’t nothin’ new about the Pulitzer. Wynton getting it for ‘Blood on the Fields’? It was basically like they handed it to him out of guilt. And Lang? C’mon seriously.. The guy’s a pompous ass and really thinks his music has substance.. so if it’s established that shitty material can win a Pulitzer, who cares who wins it? Stop whining.

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By: HeiLau https://nicomuhly.com/news/2008/david-lang-is-also-my-homegirl-a-diatribe/comment-page-1/#comment-624 Wed, 16 Apr 2008 14:53:18 +0000 http://nicomuhly.com/news/2008/david-lang-is-also-my-homegirl-a-diatribe/#comment-624 Folks,

I support your criticism of the musicology behind this article, but please keep in mind: Gene Weingarten is a comedy writer.

When I lived in DC I read his column on the ludicrous wonders of modern life every week. He’s the kind of person who writes to the Nigerian Bank Official you get those emails from and engages him is mock-serious negotiations.

While I don’t think this was one of Mr Weingarten’s best articles, I’m sure for his regular readers, it was received with a certain wink and nod that the writer is not a cultural aficionado and is looking at the work of a street musician the way most people do: from a position of ignorance.

If I can attempt to vindicate Mr. Weingarten in the slightest, I point you to this article he wrote in 2004, where he examined humans’ fear of death by actually visiting specific train and bus lines in Madrid and Jerusalem…places where the probability of death is actually greater than “normal.” And he still manages to do it with a certain wonky charm…I always get the idea he’s talking to his readers while playing with the change in his pocket…

Fear Itself; Learning to live in the age of terrorism
The Washington Post – Washington, D.C.
Author: Gene Weingarten
Date: Aug 22, 2004

“The meaning of life is that it ends.”
— Franz Kafka

YOU ARE NOT AFRAID OF TERRORISM, REALLY. You have weighed the facts and have concluded, rationally, that even if terrorists strike again in this country, the chances are negligible that you or anyone you know will be killed or injured. You feel no special tension when you place your seat tray in the upright position. You are old enough to have lived through other supposedly apocalyptic times, or you’ve surely heard about them — most famously, the silly spectacle of 1950s-era schoolkids giggling under their desks in anticipation of The Big One.

The recent warnings about terrorism during the election campaign have ratcheted up your concerns a little, but so what? You are going on with your life not as an act of defiance so much as a celebration of rationality. You will be fine.

So here’s a question: Would you ride a bus in Jerusalem? Right now? Here’s your 5 1/2 shekels, go take a bus to market, buy some figs. Pick a bad day, after the Israelis have assassinated some terrorist leaders and everyone is waiting for the second sandal to drop. There are lots of buses in Jerusalem — the odds are still long in your favor. Do you take that dare?

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Email me or post back and and I will send you the whole article.

Best,
HLD/

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By: Derek https://nicomuhly.com/news/2008/david-lang-is-also-my-homegirl-a-diatribe/comment-page-1/#comment-620 Tue, 15 Apr 2008 21:06:42 +0000 http://nicomuhly.com/news/2008/david-lang-is-also-my-homegirl-a-diatribe/#comment-620 I really enjoyed reading this article, thanks for posting it. It shed some light on a phenomenon that one might not ordinarily think about. Surely, the writers style was unique, and the way the information was presented was a bit strange. But more than anything, I feel the author missed the opportunity to say some really great things about music, such as why it might not even matter that the people weren’t paying attention. I am of the thought that the act of performing good music will indefinitely be absorbed by the audience in some way or another, consciously or unconsciously, with or without their attention being directed at it. And I also can’t help but wonder, might there be some other music out there besides those classical masterpieces performed by Bell and his violin (undisputedly world class) that might have drawn more of an audience? I’m thinking, Nico, maybe your music should be performed in another subway station to test this 🙂

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By: Mr. Bacon https://nicomuhly.com/news/2008/david-lang-is-also-my-homegirl-a-diatribe/comment-page-1/#comment-615 Tue, 15 Apr 2008 13:34:37 +0000 http://nicomuhly.com/news/2008/david-lang-is-also-my-homegirl-a-diatribe/#comment-615 Thanks, Nico, for responding so quickly to my post. I like the process you describe of piecing together the reception of a work bit by bit over time. It’s temporally linear yet highly fragmented. Most subway musicians, especially those in New York, tend to claim their territory and play the same tunes quite often. So, if Bell was a regular metro violinist–which many apparently thought, if they processed his presence at all–one could presumably piece together the Chaconne over a long period of time, just like the Lichtenstein mural. The article did say the acoustics in the D.C. station were pretty good, but either way, I’m guessing artists/historians/critics could compare poor acoustics in music with bad lighting, maintenance/cleaning, or proximity to the viewer.

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By: A. https://nicomuhly.com/news/2008/david-lang-is-also-my-homegirl-a-diatribe/comment-page-1/#comment-613 Tue, 15 Apr 2008 12:00:56 +0000 http://nicomuhly.com/news/2008/david-lang-is-also-my-homegirl-a-diatribe/#comment-613 These comments are so incredibly pretentious. You (plural) should be embarrassed.

Nico responds: come on, now. Who this is. Don’t sasstalk on my space. You (singular) know perfectly well that the plural form is y’all.

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By: Tom https://nicomuhly.com/news/2008/david-lang-is-also-my-homegirl-a-diatribe/comment-page-1/#comment-612 Tue, 15 Apr 2008 06:57:42 +0000 http://nicomuhly.com/news/2008/david-lang-is-also-my-homegirl-a-diatribe/#comment-612 Yes, a clearly silly experiment. It’s not unlike putting on a CD of some extraordinary music while your significant other is rushing out the door to work and saying, “What’s wrong with you? Can’t you hear how wonderful this is?”

But it’s always an easy task for a journalist to demonstrate that we are all philistines and then be ruefully bemused about it. Those who assume they would have stopped dead in their tracks feel superior; those who feel closer to the philistines can think, “Gosh, we’re all just so busy and have our iPods and stuff! I guess I’m just like everybody else!”

If this article won a Pulitzer prize it’s no doubt precisely because it was widely read and shared. That’s market success for journalists, and market success = quality. Right?

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By: AJ Christian https://nicomuhly.com/news/2008/david-lang-is-also-my-homegirl-a-diatribe/comment-page-1/#comment-611 Tue, 15 Apr 2008 06:00:43 +0000 http://nicomuhly.com/news/2008/david-lang-is-also-my-homegirl-a-diatribe/#comment-611 The other implication in the article, which is a bit more subtle, is that classical music has somehow suffered from technology. Somehow, it is implied, all these people are listening to Kanye West instead of Josh Bell.

Ridiculous! I for one discovered your music on iTunes, and I’m sure at least some — if not a lot — of people on the D.C. subway are listening to Bell (who admittedly plays spectacularly live, something I experienced at a rehearsal for a concert he gave in Charleston.)

What’s that? Technology can enable new musical experiences? Crazy thought.

Love your music and can’t wait for the new CD,
Aymar

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By: Buck Mulligan https://nicomuhly.com/news/2008/david-lang-is-also-my-homegirl-a-diatribe/comment-page-1/#comment-610 Tue, 15 Apr 2008 00:20:03 +0000 http://nicomuhly.com/news/2008/david-lang-is-also-my-homegirl-a-diatribe/#comment-610 m ALL over the vision of Joshua starting his act by juggling with chainsaws followed by a bit of fire-eating. If he THEN hit us up with the Chaconne, I’d be there for the whole 20 minute act AND pony up $20 with nary a qualm.' You know, we can continue to permit jests and jokes guised by post-modern 'tolerance', or you can admit that this is not a 'fish-out-of-water' context, hopefully thereby admitting some degree of shame if you at all respect the tradition of classical music - more than, say, matters of editorial style. You need either ears to hear music, or resolve enough to appreciate it on the page. If you need someone to frame great performance for you - that meaning intentional music intended to be heard (perhaps, by Muhly's principles, 'chamber music'? You know, music where it's polite to listen) - you're in a state of aesthetic disrepair. That's all there is to this. If this isn't an argument concerned with the erosion of culture, then it's an argument concerning 'elements of style' or of Pulitzer Prizes. In that case, I think the Post journalist has liscense to write even awkwardly about perverted 'priorities'. How comfortable you are with this - whether as the result of philosophically eroding the notion of a 'universal', whether you can't muster energy enough to genuinely appreciate that which you're bent on ignoring - shouldn't detract from the point: if you all want to maintain that this is a poorly written article, fine. Agreed. But if you want to maintain that you're in whatever way above the subject matter, than your role as musicians - yes, even 'contemporary' musicians - is suspect. Your collective 'cleverness' is truly offensive in that regard.]]> ‘However, as an aside, I’m ALL over the vision of Joshua starting his act by juggling with chainsaws followed by a bit of fire-eating. If he THEN hit us up with the Chaconne, I’d be there for the whole 20 minute act AND pony up $20 with nary a qualm.’

You know, we can continue to permit jests and jokes guised by post-modern ‘tolerance’, or you can admit that this is not a ‘fish-out-of-water’ context, hopefully thereby admitting some degree of shame if you at all respect the tradition of classical music – more than, say, matters of editorial style. You need either ears to hear music, or resolve enough to appreciate it on the page. If you need someone to frame great performance for you – that meaning intentional music intended to be heard (perhaps, by Muhly’s principles, ‘chamber music’? You know, music where it’s polite to listen) – you’re in a state of aesthetic disrepair. That’s all there is to this. If this isn’t an argument concerned with the erosion of culture, then it’s an argument concerning ‘elements of style’ or of Pulitzer Prizes. In that case, I think the Post journalist has liscense to write even awkwardly about perverted ‘priorities’.

How comfortable you are with this – whether as the result of philosophically eroding the notion of a ‘universal’, whether you can’t muster energy enough to genuinely appreciate that which you’re bent on ignoring – shouldn’t detract from the point: if you all want to maintain that this is a poorly written article, fine. Agreed. But if you want to maintain that you’re in whatever way above the subject matter, than your role as musicians – yes, even ‘contemporary’ musicians – is suspect. Your collective ‘cleverness’ is truly offensive in that regard.

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By: Mr. Bacon https://nicomuhly.com/news/2008/david-lang-is-also-my-homegirl-a-diatribe/comment-page-1/#comment-609 Mon, 14 Apr 2008 23:20:35 +0000 http://nicomuhly.com/news/2008/david-lang-is-also-my-homegirl-a-diatribe/#comment-609 Nico,

I was surprised to read the end of your blog entry, as I shared most of your previous reactions to the Post article. I would be eager to read your responses to two issues, both of which have already come up to some degree in the comments:

a) Why can’t the Chaconne be presented in a heavily frequented public space? Shouldn’t the artistic aims and functions of a work be allowed to change over centuries? In valuing the Chaconne more than most passers-by, are we doing so to justify our own work? A subway performance gives the listener far greater choice than in a concert hall: you can stand and listen for hours, minutes, or seconds; you can pay what you want; you can talk, eat, and drink during it; you can ignore it.

[Nico responds: The Chaconne can do anything it wants to! My only point is that the experiment is ridiculous because it’s like saying, who is going to notice this incredibly beautiful but compared-to-rush-hour-noise not very loud piece of music?]

b) Why should a Lichtenstein mural deserve less attention than a 14-minute piece of solo string music? That mural spans 90 years of New York subway history. Surely you can’t take it all in in 60 seconds? Perhaps visual art’s potential to unfold in time is greater than you presume. I think a great irony of the mural, and of metro music, is that most will not stop to watch or listen; but those who do, who really want to, and who value an understanding of at least a sizeable portion of the work, can get just what they want.

[Oh, see, here I disagree; my relationship with that Lichtenstein is not about stopping but it’s about getting a little snippet of it every morning. Times Square is a transfer station; who even knows how many people rush through there every morning. I think that after about two years of running through every morning between 9:00 and 9:15 I spent a good deal of time with it! If you think about religious art, too, like an altar painting, there are only specific times when you have access to it…this doesn’t bother me.]

Muzak is a large can of worms, but possibly its greatest distinction from much other music is, with its hints of the familiar and smooth, subconscious strands of popular tunes, its evasion of our time perception altogether.

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By: Eddie https://nicomuhly.com/news/2008/david-lang-is-also-my-homegirl-a-diatribe/comment-page-1/#comment-608 Mon, 14 Apr 2008 22:49:49 +0000 http://nicomuhly.com/news/2008/david-lang-is-also-my-homegirl-a-diatribe/#comment-608 The article’s Major Thesis is weird and the writing style overheated, but are you maybe reacting to the thesis instead of the article? I loved the reporting, meaning the interviews with people who stayed to listen and people who left, and the videos. The troweled on cultural decline narrative, no thanks. But the postal supervisor who stopped to listen, the shoe shiner, Tindley who worked at Au Bon Pain, Mortensen who delayed his day to listen: I’m glad someone gave me a bit of their voices.

I’d have been surprised if MORE people stopped to listen. Bell’s haul seems higher than I’d expect. There was no failure of classical music or art or this modern world. The experiment was rigged to fail, although the riggers may not have realized that themselves. But I smiled all the way through those videos. Good for Weingarten for having such a fun idea and making it happen — and then, with the help of, say, Mark Leithauser, even treating it somewhat thoughtfully.

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By: Niall https://nicomuhly.com/news/2008/david-lang-is-also-my-homegirl-a-diatribe/comment-page-1/#comment-599 Mon, 14 Apr 2008 03:30:39 +0000 http://nicomuhly.com/news/2008/david-lang-is-also-my-homegirl-a-diatribe/#comment-599 I love you, Nico Muhly.

I hope you have had the pleasure of reading “Language Log” – definitely the hottest linguistics blog out there – on the prose stylings of Dan Brown. Seminal post and links to later ones at –

http://itre.cis.upenn.edu/~myl/languagelog/archives/000844.html

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By: Victor Cova https://nicomuhly.com/news/2008/david-lang-is-also-my-homegirl-a-diatribe/comment-page-1/#comment-598 Sat, 12 Apr 2008 23:25:17 +0000 http://nicomuhly.com/news/2008/david-lang-is-also-my-homegirl-a-diatribe/#comment-598 Reading Michael’s comment on what it means to listen, I remembered a great documentary with interviews with Cage but also with musicians, pedagogues, theorists, etc, on that very topic. It’s called Listen, and is quite an amzing (experimental) documentary generally.

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By: luiz https://nicomuhly.com/news/2008/david-lang-is-also-my-homegirl-a-diatribe/comment-page-1/#comment-597 Sat, 12 Apr 2008 17:34:47 +0000 http://nicomuhly.com/news/2008/david-lang-is-also-my-homegirl-a-diatribe/#comment-597 True, we have levels of attention involved, but with art is the same, a painting in the museum (similar to attending a concert, no irony here, sit and listen/watch/see, a more comtemplative situation), reprinted in a book (cd, ipod etc a moveable situation for the object) or casually spotted as the mural by Roy Liechenstein mentioned (we are the moving thing in the case).
And dance that has no counterpart in art, or maybe is like wearing art, because dance wears music, use art to move. Design is the dance of art? Ha! We are producing a theory!
I think that even when not listening (I do the same, writing and listening my brain seems to block hearing) we are touched by the sounds, and do listen. That’s why many dreadful jingles return to my mind instead of a Bach prelude that I would (sometimes) prefer. Well, Muppet show music is always playing somewhere between my mind and my neck…The senses are bosy, they work despite our intentions.

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