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		<title>By: Jim</title>
		<link>http://nicomuhly.com/news/2008/nuggets-dewitt/comment-page-1/#comment-1109</link>
		<dc:creator>Jim</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Sat, 24 May 2008 05:18:52 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>Alex- Rocky Shores includes Johnston&#039;s English translations only, not the original texts in Faroese. 

If you&#039;re looking for Faroese texts I would contact the University of the Faroe Islands:

http://setur.fo/en/language_litterature/office

Also, here&#039;s a review of Rocky Shores:

www.stephenmorrissey.ca/articles_reviews/SM_Two_Sides.html</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>Alex- Rocky Shores includes Johnston&#8217;s English translations only, not the original texts in Faroese. </p>
<p>If you&#8217;re looking for Faroese texts I would contact the University of the Faroe Islands:</p>
<p><a href="http://setur.fo/en/language_litterature/office" rel="nofollow">http://setur.fo/en/language_litterature/office</a></p>
<p>Also, here&#8217;s a review of Rocky Shores:</p>
<p><a href="http://www.stephenmorrissey.ca/articles_reviews/SM_Two_Sides.html" rel="nofollow">http://www.stephenmorrissey.ca/articles_reviews/SM_Two_Sides.html</a></p>
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		<title>By: Sandy</title>
		<link>http://nicomuhly.com/news/2008/nuggets-dewitt/comment-page-1/#comment-740</link>
		<dc:creator>Sandy</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Sun, 18 May 2008 13:51:44 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>Great post! I spend so much time as writer grappling with this problem, more from insecurity than anything else. I worry that I get only one chance with a reader and if I lose that moment, if I don&#039;t communicate My Whole Thing to them in that moment, I will never get the opportunity again. This is a lot like trying to put the entirety of a romance into the first kiss, all the fumbling sloppy wet passion to come, all the hand-holding and the fights and the lingering mornings someone contained in that first contact of lips. It&#039;s not possible. A good kiss, like a great sentence or work of any art, implies that there are many more where that came from, in vastly infinite forms. You want to stick around for them. Then again, watch old people who&#039;ve been in love forever when their hands touch, and all that history is evident, just as it is in so much of Rushdie&#039;s writing. I&#039;m neither an old lover, or Salman Rushdie, so I guess I still have a lot to learn.</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>Great post! I spend so much time as writer grappling with this problem, more from insecurity than anything else. I worry that I get only one chance with a reader and if I lose that moment, if I don&#8217;t communicate My Whole Thing to them in that moment, I will never get the opportunity again. This is a lot like trying to put the entirety of a romance into the first kiss, all the fumbling sloppy wet passion to come, all the hand-holding and the fights and the lingering mornings someone contained in that first contact of lips. It&#8217;s not possible. A good kiss, like a great sentence or work of any art, implies that there are many more where that came from, in vastly infinite forms. You want to stick around for them. Then again, watch old people who&#8217;ve been in love forever when their hands touch, and all that history is evident, just as it is in so much of Rushdie&#8217;s writing. I&#8217;m neither an old lover, or Salman Rushdie, so I guess I still have a lot to learn.</p>
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		<title>By: Lynette</title>
		<link>http://nicomuhly.com/news/2008/nuggets-dewitt/comment-page-1/#comment-733</link>
		<dc:creator>Lynette</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Thu, 15 May 2008 14:35:10 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>Other epidermal rushes:
*Slime molds ( are they plant? animal?both?)
*the alchemy of sea green patina on copper
* the phoenix like revival of ( and thrival)
of most Gaelic tongues

Lynette
kdnk radio
www.kdnk.org streamng worldwide
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		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>Other epidermal rushes:<br />
*Slime molds ( are they plant? animal?both?)<br />
*the alchemy of sea green patina on copper<br />
* the phoenix like revival of ( and thrival)<br />
of most Gaelic tongues</p>
<p>Lynette<br />
kdnk radio<br />
<a href="http://www.kdnk.org" rel="nofollow">http://www.kdnk.org</a> streamng worldwide<br />
I am playing parts of Mothertongue today</p>
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		<title>By: Lord Jim</title>
		<link>http://nicomuhly.com/news/2008/nuggets-dewitt/comment-page-1/#comment-732</link>
		<dc:creator>Lord Jim</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Thu, 15 May 2008 13:23:14 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>P.S the shudder thing is just metonymy, no need to worry</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>P.S the shudder thing is just metonymy, no need to worry</p>
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		<title>By: Lord Jim</title>
		<link>http://nicomuhly.com/news/2008/nuggets-dewitt/comment-page-1/#comment-731</link>
		<dc:creator>Lord Jim</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Thu, 15 May 2008 13:11:01 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>To Stephen: unfortunately standing in library stacks makes me feel like my life has momentarily morphed with an essay by Lacan.  

To Nico: that&#039;s probably why you like Murakami so much; he&#039;s all shudders, what with that cheeky little wind up bird that you never see

Favorite shudder moment: conclusion of &quot;Endless Parade&quot; by the shudderific Harrison Birtwistle:  the way the piece keeps going after its finished......:)</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>To Stephen: unfortunately standing in library stacks makes me feel like my life has momentarily morphed with an essay by Lacan.  </p>
<p>To Nico: that&#8217;s probably why you like Murakami so much; he&#8217;s all shudders, what with that cheeky little wind up bird that you never see</p>
<p>Favorite shudder moment: conclusion of &#8220;Endless Parade&#8221; by the shudderific Harrison Birtwistle:  the way the piece keeps going after its finished&#8230;&#8230;:)</p>
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		<title>By: Matt Ralph</title>
		<link>http://nicomuhly.com/news/2008/nuggets-dewitt/comment-page-1/#comment-730</link>
		<dc:creator>Matt Ralph</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Thu, 15 May 2008 03:41:57 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>The Tony Kushner passage you quote is from an essay titled &quot;On Ambition&quot; (or something close to that), which can be found in the collection &quot; Thinking About the Longstanding Problems of Virtue: Essays, A Play, Two Poems and a Prayer&quot;.</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>The Tony Kushner passage you quote is from an essay titled &#8220;On Ambition&#8221; (or something close to that), which can be found in the collection &#8221; Thinking About the Longstanding Problems of Virtue: Essays, A Play, Two Poems and a Prayer&#8221;.</p>
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		<title>By: Alex</title>
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		<dc:creator>Alex</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Wed, 14 May 2008 20:20:57 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>Jim - is Rocky Shore bilingual?  Thanks.</description>
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		<title>By: tim</title>
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		<dc:creator>tim</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Wed, 14 May 2008 14:22:03 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>yeah helen de witt is great. she had something in the believer recently which i think might have had something to do w/ her new book? cant really remember tho. it had to do w/ actors contracts and how screwed they are.</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>yeah helen de witt is great. she had something in the believer recently which i think might have had something to do w/ her new book? cant really remember tho. it had to do w/ actors contracts and how screwed they are.</p>
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		<title>By: Stephen</title>
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		<dc:creator>Stephen</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Wed, 14 May 2008 11:49:25 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>Thanks for a moving post.

Some of my shuddery things:

Standing in the deep stacks of a vast library, realizing I am surrounded by infinite words in infinite books that I will never read, both those already written and those that will be written in the billions of years that follow my death, in human languages as well as the languages of all other beings that have existed and will someday exist.  At that moment the library becomes a pocket universe, connected to this other universe of words; it is as though I can feel the stacks around me shuddering under their weight.</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>Thanks for a moving post.</p>
<p>Some of my shuddery things:</p>
<p>Standing in the deep stacks of a vast library, realizing I am surrounded by infinite words in infinite books that I will never read, both those already written and those that will be written in the billions of years that follow my death, in human languages as well as the languages of all other beings that have existed and will someday exist.  At that moment the library becomes a pocket universe, connected to this other universe of words; it is as though I can feel the stacks around me shuddering under their weight.</p>
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		<title>By: Jim</title>
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		<dc:creator>Jim</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Tue, 13 May 2008 23:42:44 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>Yes, the sublime is back for sure.

&quot;Seeing is Believing&quot; is now one of my favorite works for violin.</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>Yes, the sublime is back for sure.</p>
<p>&#8220;Seeing is Believing&#8221; is now one of my favorite works for violin.</p>
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		<title>By: Michael</title>
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		<dc:creator>Michael</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Tue, 13 May 2008 12:30:29 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>This community of comments seems to be striving towards a sense of the sublime, and I can&#039;t think of a better approximation of that notion than Nico&#039;s &quot;awesome deep, shuddery things.&quot;  It is exciting to think that the idea of the sublime might be restored to aesthetic respectability. While I am sure that we can all multiply musical examples of the sense of hidden immensity, I must say that I hear it strongly in Nico&#039;s &quot;night&quot; music (&quot;It Remains to be Seen&quot; and &quot;Seeing is Believing&quot;) and I suspect it is what so many find moving in &quot;A Hudson Cycle&quot; - so huge a piece in so short a space.</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>This community of comments seems to be striving towards a sense of the sublime, and I can&#8217;t think of a better approximation of that notion than Nico&#8217;s &#8220;awesome deep, shuddery things.&#8221;  It is exciting to think that the idea of the sublime might be restored to aesthetic respectability. While I am sure that we can all multiply musical examples of the sense of hidden immensity, I must say that I hear it strongly in Nico&#8217;s &#8220;night&#8221; music (&#8220;It Remains to be Seen&#8221; and &#8220;Seeing is Believing&#8221;) and I suspect it is what so many find moving in &#8220;A Hudson Cycle&#8221; &#8211; so huge a piece in so short a space.</p>
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		<title>By: Jim</title>
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		<dc:creator>Jim</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Tue, 13 May 2008 03:29:01 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>One more thought about your observation that Bach works for you because you don&#039;t actually know when you are in Forbidden, Ecclesiastical Backstage Space. 

For me the ultimate &quot;don&#039;t actually know&quot; composer is Beethoven. With Bach to be sure I feel that the finite part directs and draws the soul to the infinite whole, but with Beethoven it&#039;s as though one can no longer tell finite and infinite apart, which is why this music is such a rush. When I listen to someone like Michelangeli play the first piano concerto I have no idea whether I&#039;m in the midst of a musical statement of, on the one hand, the spirit of revolutionary humanity (the side of Beethoven that admired Napoleon) or, on the other, a divinity that comprehends history in its totality: and if anything the ambiguity is only increased in works such as the later piano sonatas and string quartets; is the subjectivity in them divine or human? the more one listens to this music the clearer it becomes that neither one nor the other will work as an answer, and that therefore it must be &quot;both&quot;, which is indeed a heady mix. But then it&#039;s exactly the same condition of not knowing when you&#039;re in the divine realm or the human, of finding the the divine and the human somehow identified, that one finds in Goethe&#039;s Faust or for that matter the Logic of Hegel, who aimed to explicate in a single philosophical argument both the structure of finite or human thinking as it is prior to experience and the thoughts of God before the creation of the world and finite spirit. For Hegel, these two are the same.

It was a wild historical moment. Not I think entirely unlike the one we&#039;re in now. Is the suffering of the match girl in David Lang&#039;s magnificent Little Match Girl Passion human or divine? What exactly does it mean for her suffering to be elevated &quot;to a higher plane&quot; (as the composer puts it)?

Which leads me to one last question. Does anyone know an easy way to get hold of a score of Lang&#039;s Passion?</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>One more thought about your observation that Bach works for you because you don&#8217;t actually know when you are in Forbidden, Ecclesiastical Backstage Space. </p>
<p>For me the ultimate &#8220;don&#8217;t actually know&#8221; composer is Beethoven. With Bach to be sure I feel that the finite part directs and draws the soul to the infinite whole, but with Beethoven it&#8217;s as though one can no longer tell finite and infinite apart, which is why this music is such a rush. When I listen to someone like Michelangeli play the first piano concerto I have no idea whether I&#8217;m in the midst of a musical statement of, on the one hand, the spirit of revolutionary humanity (the side of Beethoven that admired Napoleon) or, on the other, a divinity that comprehends history in its totality: and if anything the ambiguity is only increased in works such as the later piano sonatas and string quartets; is the subjectivity in them divine or human? the more one listens to this music the clearer it becomes that neither one nor the other will work as an answer, and that therefore it must be &#8220;both&#8221;, which is indeed a heady mix. But then it&#8217;s exactly the same condition of not knowing when you&#8217;re in the divine realm or the human, of finding the the divine and the human somehow identified, that one finds in Goethe&#8217;s Faust or for that matter the Logic of Hegel, who aimed to explicate in a single philosophical argument both the structure of finite or human thinking as it is prior to experience and the thoughts of God before the creation of the world and finite spirit. For Hegel, these two are the same.</p>
<p>It was a wild historical moment. Not I think entirely unlike the one we&#8217;re in now. Is the suffering of the match girl in David Lang&#8217;s magnificent Little Match Girl Passion human or divine? What exactly does it mean for her suffering to be elevated &#8220;to a higher plane&#8221; (as the composer puts it)?</p>
<p>Which leads me to one last question. Does anyone know an easy way to get hold of a score of Lang&#8217;s Passion?</p>
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		<title>By: Liner Notes Danny</title>
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		<dc:creator>Liner Notes Danny</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Tue, 13 May 2008 02:54:42 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>How do you feel about those fungi in Oregon that turned out to be the largest living thing on Earth.  You LOVE them.  It.</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>How do you feel about those fungi in Oregon that turned out to be the largest living thing on Earth.  You LOVE them.  It.</p>
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		<title>By: Robert</title>
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		<dc:creator>Robert</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Mon, 12 May 2008 23:35:28 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>The world is an iceberg, so much is invisible!

Frank O&#039;Hara
&quot;Sleeping on the Wing&quot;</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>The world is an iceberg, so much is invisible!</p>
<p>Frank O&#8217;Hara<br />
&#8220;Sleeping on the Wing&#8221;</p>
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		<title>By: Jim</title>
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		<dc:creator>Jim</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Mon, 12 May 2008 22:27:36 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>I&#039;ve been thinking about your remarks about Bach. I once was taught by a philosopher who claimed that Bach was a kind of musical Leibniz, and your post today brought his comment to mind. Just as in Bach what is before us suggests and seems to have a relation to the &quot;rest of the archive&quot; so too it was a primary interest of Leibniz to show the whole implicit in every part. To put it another way the primary insight in your post appears to be exactly what Leibniz was getting at in his claim that the divine freedom was present in every Monad, that &quot;each created Monad represents the whole universe&quot;. It&#039;s very much like your feeling that each piece somehow needs to represents all the aspects of your Whole Thing.

I don&#039;t suppose that these comments about Leibniz shed much light on what you&#039;re saying (though perhaps they might be of use to those trying to get a handle on what Leibniz is about), but I thought I&#039;d mention it because 18th century German culture is shot full of the &quot;Iceberg Tipp&quot; view of things (it&#039;s what makes German idealism possible, really) and I do think you&#039;re entirely right to find it in Bach, especially perhaps in the many cantatas in which the primary focus is the soul yearning for death and union with God, as if to say &quot;I&#039;m just the tip, there&#039;s more&quot;.</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>I&#8217;ve been thinking about your remarks about Bach. I once was taught by a philosopher who claimed that Bach was a kind of musical Leibniz, and your post today brought his comment to mind. Just as in Bach what is before us suggests and seems to have a relation to the &#8220;rest of the archive&#8221; so too it was a primary interest of Leibniz to show the whole implicit in every part. To put it another way the primary insight in your post appears to be exactly what Leibniz was getting at in his claim that the divine freedom was present in every Monad, that &#8220;each created Monad represents the whole universe&#8221;. It&#8217;s very much like your feeling that each piece somehow needs to represents all the aspects of your Whole Thing.</p>
<p>I don&#8217;t suppose that these comments about Leibniz shed much light on what you&#8217;re saying (though perhaps they might be of use to those trying to get a handle on what Leibniz is about), but I thought I&#8217;d mention it because 18th century German culture is shot full of the &#8220;Iceberg Tipp&#8221; view of things (it&#8217;s what makes German idealism possible, really) and I do think you&#8217;re entirely right to find it in Bach, especially perhaps in the many cantatas in which the primary focus is the soul yearning for death and union with God, as if to say &#8220;I&#8217;m just the tip, there&#8217;s more&#8221;.</p>
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