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		<link>http://nicomuhly.com/news/2008/god-only-knows/comment-page-1/#comment-724</link>
		<dc:creator>Jim</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Tue, 13 May 2008 05:14:36 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>I too have the sense that something more is going on with Nico&#039;s generational  comments than just an impatience with old folks who cough at concerts.

There is a certain dogmatism, which has greatly diminished human life for some time, that notably expresses itself in the form of fixed oppositions, such as the ones that are seen as existing between profane and sacred, human and divine, and popular culture and high art. Generally speaking these oppositions have been--for those born after 1980 or so--now largely dissolved, whereas many older people, especially those born in, say, the 30s or 40s, still have a view of reality to which precisely these oppositions are indispensable. This does create a generational divide, but strictly speaking it has to do primarily with outlook rather than age (there are plenty of people on both sides of it in chronological terms who look at things in the way I&#039;d associate with the other side).

Let me share a story. In 1978 Herbert Howells was still writing music (and in fact he wrote some of his best works in that year). I remember playing the Willcocks/King&#039;s College recording of Howells&#039; ravishingly beautiful Prudentius setting &quot;Take Him Earth, for Cherishing&quot; to a young student of composition. He just couldn&#039;t &quot;get&quot; the piece at all. One might have thought that its rather angular idom (and at that time fairly recent date--it was written in 1964) might have made it seem acceptably contemporary to my friend, but no. He just could not get his mind around the idea that a piece of church music might have anything to say to or teach him. The parameters of his musical universe were fixed and VERY narrow. Ever since I&#039;ve regarded this as among the most striking instances of mindlessness I&#039;ve ever encountered. But attitudes of this sort were in the ascendant for decades and deviation from the established view were likely to provoke fury, scorn, and punishment.

I&#039;m guessing that this is what Nico is looking to distance himself from. &quot;Crossover music&quot;, the mindless antipathy of sacred and secular, music as a kind of mathematical exercise: these things belong to the one side of the divide, and Nico (I think) wants to make it clear that that&#039;s not the side he&#039;s on. I&#039;m glad it isn&#039;t.

I have to say it feels odd to be telling the Howells story now that it&#039;s clear that the composer I was seeking had not at that time even been born.</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>I too have the sense that something more is going on with Nico&#8217;s generational  comments than just an impatience with old folks who cough at concerts.</p>
<p>There is a certain dogmatism, which has greatly diminished human life for some time, that notably expresses itself in the form of fixed oppositions, such as the ones that are seen as existing between profane and sacred, human and divine, and popular culture and high art. Generally speaking these oppositions have been&#8211;for those born after 1980 or so&#8211;now largely dissolved, whereas many older people, especially those born in, say, the 30s or 40s, still have a view of reality to which precisely these oppositions are indispensable. This does create a generational divide, but strictly speaking it has to do primarily with outlook rather than age (there are plenty of people on both sides of it in chronological terms who look at things in the way I&#8217;d associate with the other side).</p>
<p>Let me share a story. In 1978 Herbert Howells was still writing music (and in fact he wrote some of his best works in that year). I remember playing the Willcocks/King&#8217;s College recording of Howells&#8217; ravishingly beautiful Prudentius setting &#8220;Take Him Earth, for Cherishing&#8221; to a young student of composition. He just couldn&#8217;t &#8220;get&#8221; the piece at all. One might have thought that its rather angular idom (and at that time fairly recent date&#8211;it was written in 1964) might have made it seem acceptably contemporary to my friend, but no. He just could not get his mind around the idea that a piece of church music might have anything to say to or teach him. The parameters of his musical universe were fixed and VERY narrow. Ever since I&#8217;ve regarded this as among the most striking instances of mindlessness I&#8217;ve ever encountered. But attitudes of this sort were in the ascendant for decades and deviation from the established view were likely to provoke fury, scorn, and punishment.</p>
<p>I&#8217;m guessing that this is what Nico is looking to distance himself from. &#8220;Crossover music&#8221;, the mindless antipathy of sacred and secular, music as a kind of mathematical exercise: these things belong to the one side of the divide, and Nico (I think) wants to make it clear that that&#8217;s not the side he&#8217;s on. I&#8217;m glad it isn&#8217;t.</p>
<p>I have to say it feels odd to be telling the Howells story now that it&#8217;s clear that the composer I was seeking had not at that time even been born.</p>
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		<link>http://nicomuhly.com/news/2008/god-only-knows/comment-page-1/#comment-711</link>
		<dc:creator>mcmechanism</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Sun, 11 May 2008 22:16:54 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>Remember when Graydon Carter of Vanity Fair declared after 9/11 that irony was dead?  Like Mark Twain, perhaps the obituary was a bit ahead of the reality.  Perhaps this might be another interpretation of what Maestro Muhly is dancing around with his &quot;generational&quot; comments.  I don&#039;t know if he is right -yet - but I applaud his sentiments.  Irony was lots of fun back in the 70&#039;s and 80&#039;s when there were so many self-important, self-aggrandizing people to tweak.  Now irony is the norm, which is out of balance.  Irony should be the voice of the outsider; it is the Shakespearian fool poking fun at the king.  That, for me, is the problem with much of the so-called alternative music.  While the music itself comes across as genuine and heartfelt, too many of the lyrics settle for glib and sarcastic (with a healthy spicing of incomprehensible masquerading as poetic) - a complete mismatch with the true emotions of the underlying music.  If this really is a generational trend, I&#039;m suddenly a lot more optimistic about the future than I was.  (and, btw, genuine does not necessitate Judeo-Christian subtext, although it&#039;s nice when someone other than the &quot;religious right&quot; bigots quote from the bible).
Thank you, Nico, for a thoughtful essay.</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>Remember when Graydon Carter of Vanity Fair declared after 9/11 that irony was dead?  Like Mark Twain, perhaps the obituary was a bit ahead of the reality.  Perhaps this might be another interpretation of what Maestro Muhly is dancing around with his &#8220;generational&#8221; comments.  I don&#8217;t know if he is right -yet &#8211; but I applaud his sentiments.  Irony was lots of fun back in the 70&#8242;s and 80&#8242;s when there were so many self-important, self-aggrandizing people to tweak.  Now irony is the norm, which is out of balance.  Irony should be the voice of the outsider; it is the Shakespearian fool poking fun at the king.  That, for me, is the problem with much of the so-called alternative music.  While the music itself comes across as genuine and heartfelt, too many of the lyrics settle for glib and sarcastic (with a healthy spicing of incomprehensible masquerading as poetic) &#8211; a complete mismatch with the true emotions of the underlying music.  If this really is a generational trend, I&#8217;m suddenly a lot more optimistic about the future than I was.  (and, btw, genuine does not necessitate Judeo-Christian subtext, although it&#8217;s nice when someone other than the &#8220;religious right&#8221; bigots quote from the bible).<br />
Thank you, Nico, for a thoughtful essay.</p>
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		<dc:creator>rajiOhead</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Thu, 08 May 2008 17:15:32 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>Sure, the power of orthodoxy in this case. But also, the nuanced and unpronounced ways in which hegemonic and cultural domination can trickle into our subconscious. Are all of our thoughts stemming from the Bible or, are we tracing forwards and pre-determining future thoughts? (Sorry to get all Deleuze on your ass... just something to think about).</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>Sure, the power of orthodoxy in this case. But also, the nuanced and unpronounced ways in which hegemonic and cultural domination can trickle into our subconscious. Are all of our thoughts stemming from the Bible or, are we tracing forwards and pre-determining future thoughts? (Sorry to get all Deleuze on your ass&#8230; just something to think about).</p>
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		<dc:creator>J'Kerian</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Tue, 06 May 2008 01:53:01 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>i love son lux. and i didn&#039;t know anyone else did.</description>
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		<dc:creator>Robert</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Mon, 05 May 2008 13:04:44 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>Michael wrote about using texts &quot;to hide and reveal meaning simultaneously.&quot; Well said! And of course, that was also a favorite ploy of One whose utterances tended toward the parabolic.</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>Michael wrote about using texts &#8220;to hide and reveal meaning simultaneously.&#8221; Well said! And of course, that was also a favorite ploy of One whose utterances tended toward the parabolic.</p>
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		<dc:creator>Michael</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Mon, 05 May 2008 12:31:26 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>I have been puzzled by -- and haunted by -- Nico&#039;s essay for several days now,  so I finally listened to the album At War with Walls and Mazes and I get a glimmer of what he may be saying with the generational references to which I took mild exception above. A prior generation referenced the bible or other religious texts with things like &quot;Jesus Christ Superstar&quot; which doesn&#039;t strike me as particularly brave, or Christian rock which is sometimes beautiful but not challenging or mysterious.

Perhaps what Nico is suggesting is that his generation is vexed and stirred by a different, more complicated religious impulse that uses texts -- or at least words -- to hide and reveal meaning simultaneously.  And since this seems to be what Nico does in some of his most moving compositions, I begin to sense what he may find brave in the work of his contemporaries in the rock genre.</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>I have been puzzled by &#8212; and haunted by &#8212; Nico&#8217;s essay for several days now,  so I finally listened to the album At War with Walls and Mazes and I get a glimmer of what he may be saying with the generational references to which I took mild exception above. A prior generation referenced the bible or other religious texts with things like &#8220;Jesus Christ Superstar&#8221; which doesn&#8217;t strike me as particularly brave, or Christian rock which is sometimes beautiful but not challenging or mysterious.</p>
<p>Perhaps what Nico is suggesting is that his generation is vexed and stirred by a different, more complicated religious impulse that uses texts &#8212; or at least words &#8212; to hide and reveal meaning simultaneously.  And since this seems to be what Nico does in some of his most moving compositions, I begin to sense what he may find brave in the work of his contemporaries in the rock genre.</p>
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		<dc:creator>killian</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Sat, 03 May 2008 12:02:03 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>Hear, hear for elderly white people, espECially those who DO NOT COUGH during fabulous musical performances!!!!</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>Hear, hear for elderly white people, espECially those who DO NOT COUGH during fabulous musical performances!!!!</p>
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		<dc:creator>Michael</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Fri, 02 May 2008 23:58:38 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>I read The Guardian every day online, but I click on &quot;classical&quot; and so I missed this today.  A beautiful and challenging piece; did you mean &quot;profane and secular?&quot;

I hope you will continue writing pieces like this, and thanks for publishing it here.  But I beg you to rethink the generational motif that appears often (too often) in your posts.  We elderly white people are also capable of connecting the prose and the passion that both might be exalted.</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>I read The Guardian every day online, but I click on &#8220;classical&#8221; and so I missed this today.  A beautiful and challenging piece; did you mean &#8220;profane and secular?&#8221;</p>
<p>I hope you will continue writing pieces like this, and thanks for publishing it here.  But I beg you to rethink the generational motif that appears often (too often) in your posts.  We elderly white people are also capable of connecting the prose and the passion that both might be exalted.</p>
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		<dc:creator>jkndrkn</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Fri, 02 May 2008 22:34:43 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>Hm. Looks like emusic carries that album in mp3 form. I&#039;ll check it out :]</description>
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